| Edward
Norton is Hollywood's most gifted and elusive actor. He is also
the son of a philanthropic American dynasty. Ariel Leve meets a
man who puts his money where his mouth is.
A March afternoon, on location in Manhattan. It is the day after
the Oscars, and, relaxing in his trailer, Edward Norton explains
why he wasn't partying, or even watching, the night before.
"If you go to the Oscars once or twice,
you quickly get rid of the notion that it's anything romantic.
It can be fun," he says, "if you have your family and
friends come along, and you get a little loaded and have a laugh
at the whole thing. That's the only thing to do - to treat it
as an experience of complete facades and nonsense. You can treat
it like what it is: ether."
He's been to the ceremony four times: twice
when he was nominated for best actor, once as a presenter, and
then with his ex, Salma Hayek, for Frida, which he co-wrote.
"This morning I overheard the girls
in the make-up trailer. They watched last night and couldn't remember
who won best supporting actress. The point being that it's not
in itself contemptible, it's just much more irrelevant than what
gets whipped up around it would lead you to believe. It's become
this orgy of self-congratulation that runs from late November
to March and begins with a series of critics awards which have
proliferated like dandelions. I think, on a fundamental level,
it's inappropriate for people to get so involved with the critics
who write about them.
"I remember the first time I was up
for one of those broadcast-critics awards. I caught eyes with
Daniel Day-Lewis and he gave me this look of 'Can you believe
this?' Now the Screen Actors Guild awards are televised, the Golden
Globes are televised, and people go because they feel they have
to, and by the time they get to the Oscars, the reason you see
everybody with such tight faces is because they're frankly embarrassed
to be sitting there - again.
"That's the part that becomes contemptible.
It's excessive. With all that's going on in the world, continuing
to congratulate yourselves and each other only reinforces the
idea that these are self-aggrandising, vain, indulged people."
Norton rarely gives interviews. It's not
that he hides from public view, he just doesn't have the time
for it. While most actors are complaining about how hard they
work - usually three times a year for six weeks at a stretch -
Norton is industrious on an industrial scale, and movies aren't
enough to occupy his intellect. Even the subject of an awards
season elicits a comprehensive response. "I think it would
be good if the artists could get together and just put the brakes
on it all and say, 'This is too much. It's chewing up our lives
and our time. It's making us look like morons and we need to chill
this out.'
"You cannot imagine the effort and
money that goes into acquiring these awards. Millions of dollars
are getting spent. I think it would rescue some of the integrity
if they'd put a clamp on the campaigning."
That's not to say he doesn't think awards
are earned. "Phil Hoffman - he deserves it once a year. For
me, I'd be happy if they gave it to Denzel Washington every year.
He's that good."
Time has passed. It's dark outside. He has
been at work since 7.30am, but he is not done yet. Throughout
the day I have asked: Aren't you cold? "No." Tired?
"No." Another shot is being set up for this movie -
Pride & Glory - and the conversation turns to a personal area.
In 2000 Norton starred in a romantic comedy,
which he also directed and produced, called Keeping the Faith,
about a priest and a rabbi who fall in love with the same girl.
It is dedicated to his mother, Robin, who died of brain cancer
in 1997. He leans back on the sofa and explains his discomfort
with this personal line of questioning, which in turn explains
the rarity of his giving interviews. "I've learnt the hard
way that there's nothing I like about having my most personal
experiences become anecdotal. There's absolutely no spiritual
upside for me in having a lot of strangers know about my life.
"Have you read that Hemingway story
- Soldier's Home?" he asks. "It's about a soldier back
from the first world war realising that sitting in places and
telling people about the experiences he's had over there is giving
him this incredibly sick feeling, because he feels he's sold out.
That has kind of been my experience every time."
In Hemingway's story, the character, Krebs,
felt compelled to exaggerate his stories because he thought it
was what people wanted to hear, and this desire to satisfy, to
need to be listened to, resulted in the sickening feeling.
But in Norton's case, the feeling of having
sold out has less to do with personal shame than the professional
consequence: the less we know of him personally, the more we believe
in the role. "Everybody goes through certain experiences
and, if you're lucky, even with the worst things, you come out
of them and they induce in you an altered perspective on the relative
importance of things. So when you talk about things like the Oscars,
it's very hard to take it too seriously." With tragedy comes
perspective. "It dials the volume down on everything that
stressed you out previously.
"We're very disconnected from fundamental
things," he says. "Only wealthy cultures have the luxury
of worrying about face creams that prevent ageing. Beauty, fashion
- they're the indulgences of the wealthiest cultures, and I think
that along with that comes a tucking under of things you don't
want to confront. The more people sell you the idea of spiritual
peace through what you drive and how you look and how you live,
the less connected you become."
This theme is what attracted him to Fight
Club. It was a seminal role and even if he hadn't starred in it,
he says, he would be a fan. "It still makes me laugh - that
part where, if I could just get that last unit from Ikea in place,
I know that I'll be calm. It cracks me up. Fight Club was so much
about the hilarious chagrin of recognising what a slave you are
to consumer advertising - there's no way you could not relate.
"I cannot tell you the number of things
I get sent - PhD theses, psychology papers, divinity school papers.
It's [Fight Club] become this touchstone where people can project
almost anything they want."
Norton sees his latest film, Down in the
Valley, as a companion piece to Fight Club. It is, in part, a
parable set in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. "I
think it's about the same things. How a certain part of modernity
has bent people and left them extremely adrift and disconnected
from the adult world they're expected to engage in.
"It asks you to confront your feelings
about what's transpired, and confront mixed emotions. That is
life - it is in equal measure beautiful and poetic, but it's also
painful."
Edward Norton reveals himself by what he
doesn't do. He rarely walks the red carpet, doesn't network the
studios, or smile toothily on camera to Oprah. You won't find
him in the gossip magazines, at the autumn collections, or travelling
with an entourage of minders, dieticians and personal trainers.
He doesn't have a PR because he doesn't desire the spotlight -
unless, and unusually, like now, the interest expressed in him
goes beyond the celebrity.
I'd been chasing an interview for a while
and when his agent told me he would call me himself, he did. He
wanted to feel assured that the interview would be a worthwhile
interruption to his work - not an invasion of his life.
"It's gotten to the point where now,
when I read about myself, if I'm only mildly nauseous I consider
that an upside," he joked. But he understood that the usual
star turn - a sit-down for an hour over lunch - would not produce
any meaningful result and he wanted to ensure there was time.
He'd check his schedule and get back to me. E-mails were exchanged,
and a week or so later, he called again.
"Do you have any time this afternoon?"
he asked. More time was offered for later, perhaps on the set.
But for now, he's free for a couple of hours. Twenty minutes later
we meet on a corner in the West Village, where he lives alone,
and we walk around looking for somewhere discreet to hang out.
He is tall and slim and wearing an overcoat. When we find somewhere,
only one other table is occupied - by the actress Ellen Barkin.
They greet each other warmly before we take a booth and start
to talk.
It's a much-abused cliché that Norton
is ranked "the finest actor of his generation". "Intelligent",
too, is one of those words that's been so overused that it's hard
to know what it means any more. The perception that he is serious,
sombre and intimidating is largely due to his iconic performances
in Primal Fear, Fight Club and American History X. In these films,
he tapped so effectively into rage that it seems impossible that
he would not inhabit this quality in real life. But his placid
manner is one of his most salient features. He is soft-spoken,
even-tempered; you can see him working out a thought, processing
it like a philosopher. Even if he's talking about something he's
talked about a million times before, you can tell he's trying
to find a different way to say it.
Though he has a comedic and goofy side -
as seen in Woody Allen's Everyone Says I Love You - for the most
part he is associated with tragic, conflicted characters.
The core of American History X is the sorrow
of seeing someone destroy themselves through rage - seeing all
that he could have been, but it's too late. So where does the
connection to that character come from?
"I don't personally have a lot of rage,"
he says. "I can't deconstruct it. I've always been able to
channel it very effectively." He smiles. "My brother
and sister think it's fascinating and slightly comical and mystifying
that people relate to me as an intimidating presence in these
films."
The conversation traverses a multitude of
subjects. Norton is interested in history, ideas and character.
He has knowledge, depth and opinions.
On Theodore Roosevelt: "He had a voracious
mind and he was a nuclear furnace of energy and productivity.
He would take a vacation - a rare vacation - and on it he writes
the definitive biography of Thomas Hart Benton. I think he had
a keen sense of social justice and an encompassing vision of what
America's potentials were. I think he was a blowhard and maybe
had a little bit too much blood lust for war, but he definitely
had an egalitarian sense of America. He was a bona-fide reformer
and very quick to champion the oppressed against the entrenched
corporate interests."
Or on Hollywood's idea of "historical"
film-making: "Amistad bothers me a lot more than Troy. In
a world where no significant film has been made about the slave
trade, when you choose to make a film about that part of history
and you choose as the focus the Amistad incident, which is this
completely anomalous incident of strange justice, I think the
burden is very heavy on you, to make sure you are not suggesting
that that strange piece of justice on any level redeems that history.
I felt that they failed terribly in that regard.
"I remember Spike Lee saying that if
he had done to Schindler's List what Spielberg did to the Amistad
incident, someone would have hung him from a light pole, and I
agree with him. I think in a three-hour film there was 15 minutes
depicting the horror of the slave trade and it was the best 15
minutes of the film."
The conversation moves to books. He says
Mountains beyond Mountains: The Quest of Dr Paul Farmer, a Man
Who Would Cure the World, by Tracy Kidder, was one of the most
significant reading experiences of his life. "It had paradigm-shifting
ideas about poverty and healthcare. Here was someone with no ambition
for fame or money. His ambition is to fundamentally change the
way people look at the most intrinsic problem - poverty and health.
I came away from the book feeling it had vaulted him to the ranks
of the Gandhis and Martin Luther Kings. You read that and you
go, 'What the hell am I doing with my life?'"
This is a question we will return to. What
Edward Norton is doing with his life is evidenced in his admiration
of Roosevelt, champions of social justice, and the use of power
to challenge and change the status quo.
When asked if he could handle being obscure,
he considers for a while before answering. "Well, the knee-jerk
reaction is to say, 'Yeah, definitely,' because I like privacy
and I also like being able to observe. The loss of anonymity makes
it harder to do that. But on the other hand, there are all sorts
of things you can do with being well known. There are balances.
I wouldn't trade it because fame - recognition - can be leveraged
into extremely positive things."
He is not a worrier, but if he worries about
anything it's that he is working too much and may not have the
discipline to take a break to do things that he's always wanted
to do. He is never idle. He'll put scuba gear in his plane and
fly to Mexico. He flies a Cessna, and when asked if he owns it,
he looks embarrassed by the extravagance and tells me it costs
less than a Ferrari.
A self-described 'pack rat', a hoarder,
Norton has saved his answering-machine message tapes for years,
voices from friends who have died, or just funny, important moments.
"I archive more than I should,"
he says. He keeps written journals too. When he rereads them,
what does he learn about himself? "Sometimes I think you
tell yourself you've learnt certain things - you know, those moments
when you really see the gulf between the vision of yourself you
project and the actuality. It's pretty fascinating how much of
our behaviour is based on compulsion rather than conscious choice.
I think we can learn how to rewire our behaviour - just not as
easily as we think. It takes twice as many passes through an experience
as you think it will."
His grandfather was a hard act to follow.
James Rouse, confidante of presidents, recipient of America's
highest accolades, was a maverick urban planner who believed cities
should enhance their residents' lifestyle. He transformed America's
landscape, and championed the rejuvenation of abandoned docks
and urban slums. Blighted waterfronts in Boston and Manhattan
became Faneuil Hall and the South Street Seaport - hotspots for
dining, shopping and cultural activity. Cities worldwide embraced
his vision. Because of him, London has Covent Garden. Then he
turned his attention to the poor. Believing that affordable, attractive
housing would encourage them out of poverty, he founded the Enterprise
Foundation (now Enterprise Community Partners), raised $6 billion,
and has built nearly 100,000 homes across America. He even built
a town, Columbia, in Maryland, designed to his own principles.
In 1995, a year before he died, at 81, he was awarded the Presidential
Medal of Freedom by Bill Clinton.
You need to know Rouse's place in contemporary
American history if you want to begin to understand what makes
Edward Norton tick. His father, Edward Senior, was an environmental
lawyer long before the environment became a global issue and is
now the deputy director of the Asia-Pacific region of the Nature
Conservancy, an international non-profit organisation.
Born in Boston in 1969, Norton grew up in
Columbia, Maryland - the town built by his grandfather - graduated
from Yale in 1991 with a history degree, and moved to New York.
He learnt to speak Japanese and worked for Enterprise in Manhattan
and in Osaka, Japan. But he had enjoyed acting at school and college
and was drawn back to the theatre. He was a waiter for a while,
yet it wasn't long before he was cast in Edward Albee's play Fragments.
Soon after came his breakthrough role in Primal Fear.
Norton's acting achievements to date might
be enough to satisfy the most ambitious young man. But his acting
career is only scratching the surface. The other Edward Norton
is rooted in his genes, dedicated to the family business of campaigning.
In the smug, often shallow world of celebrity, Norton is a rarity
- someone who doesn't just talk about changing the world, but
actually commits to it.
A quick CV reads like this: he's a trustee
on the board of Enterprise; his production company makes documentaries
about environmental campaigns; he's established the Peacemakers
Fund at Yale in response to 9/11, which gives grants to students
to travel in the Middle East; he's a board member of a group that
is turning almost two miles of abandoned railway line through
Manhattan's industrial West Side into a public park. He also pours
time and money into globally diverse causes, from the Yunnan Great
Rivers conservation project in China to the Maasai Wilderness
Conservation Trust to the Wilderness Society and the Southern
Center for Human Rights - a public-interest law firm that enforces
people's rights in the criminal justice system in the southern
states. And it's not just his patronage, a name on a piece of
paper - he's an activist following in his family's footsteps.
Solar power is another passion. "It
was one of those moments where you go, 'This was so easy. It was
so easy. Why isn't everybody doing this?'"
We are back in his trailer, between scenes,
and he is talking about the solar technology he installed in his
LA home, and the idea it gave him. "I started thinking. I'm
involved in the affordable housing project and I know that one
of the issues is keeping costs down - the people who need this
technology the most are the people who can afford their utility
bills the least. What if we could create a data pool of 50-100
low-income homeowners who have solar and we track it and see the
impact on low-income families?"
He saw the opportunity to collect data that
could be used to lobby legislators. "I went to BP Solar and
said, 'Here's what I want...'" He devised an exchange. For
every solar panel made by BP purchased by someone high profile,
BP would donate matching panels to low-income homes.
"The first year we got about 25 people
- some were friends, like Brad Pitt and Danny DeVito, and some
were out of the blue like Daryl Hannah and Alicia Silverstone.
We're accumulating a bunch of low-income homeowners with solar
systems, and Enterprise is tracking the impact on their bills
and what they're doing with that money.
"Over the next 10 years, billions of
dollars are going to get fed out in different forms - loan funds
to affordable housing developers, direct solar subsidies... And
we are up there, Enterprise and Global Green, another group I
work with, lobbying lawmakers to say, 'A dollar of solar subsidy
aimed at a low-income family is a taxpayer's dollar better spent.'
"By helping low-income families spend
less on utilities, they're able to come further off social welfare
and move further away from the margins, and there's lots of cost
benefits to the public - not to mention the environment. The problem
is, there's not that much information to take it away from theory
and prove it. That's why we're trying to create this data pool.
We're arguing that there should be a significant amount of funds
set aside for affordable housing."
It sounds like it must soak up a lot of
time and energy. But he shrugs off having to choose between acting
and activism. He doesn't see them as mutually exclusive.
"It was a lot of work to set it up,
and lobbying, but then it downshifts into what I do now, which
is keep track of it.
"You see how it is here. We break for
an hour, you can get a lot done in an hour. The truth is, making
movies, there's a lot of down time. It's a very fragmented process.
You can't walk around 16 hours a day in character."
Moments later we're outside, on 176th street
in Washington Heights. Location trucks, thick black cables, and
bundled-up crew members with walkie-talkies are clustered around
a narrow alleyway where Norton is shooting a scene with a hyperactive
five-year-old who isn't paying attention. "C'mon, pal,"
he says, gently. "Let's get through this scene."
In the film Norton plays a homicide detective
and, unlike his co-star Colin Farrell, whose presence signals
"movie star", Norton quietly blends in. He seems strikingly
normal.
So how does someone with such a committed
social conscience, who not only avoids being the centre of attention
but vigorously rejects it, reconcile his involvement in a business
permeated by insecurity and inflated egos? He may remove himself
from the excess but he still encounters it. Hollywood can be toxic.
And when that happens, how is it managed? Is he amused by it?
Disgusted? Immune? "It's your own choice what you choose
to engage in," he says. "The working part of making
movies, I enjoy it - even when it's frustrating. It's collaborative.
Everyone has their own ideas, instincts and egos, and sometimes
you'll run into some really silly egotistical behaviour - people
who say, 'I need my M&M's cold or I won't come out of my trailer,'
but it's rare.
"A puffed-up attitude really stands
out. You can talk to crews who have a story about someone, but
the reason it's a story is because it's an anomaly. When people
run into it, they're flabbergasted. In general, the people I consider
high-quality artists cultivate environments that don't really
tolerate that kind of behaviour. No one's gonna pull that stuff
on Milos Forman, you know?"
There is a clarity of purpose about Norton
that explains him. It is a dynamic work ethic combined with an
enquiring mind. He is not one to opt for pat answers or redemptive
endings just because it's easier. Even when he leaves, it's open
to interpretation. Has our time ended? Or if I stay in this trailer,
will it continue? Edward Norton will keep going until the job
is done. |